Hi Steve,
I’d like to ask your (and HDCN readers) advice. I have been looking for a hot dog cart here in Cleveland, OH for some time. I found by shear accident that one cart owner is leaving Cleveland, moving to Texas.
Here are the details of our meeting yesterday: He has available, three carts total- two larger carts that he sells dogs/other sandwiches on, and one regular street cart. They are well used, but usable.
Three locations in downtown Cleveland- one is a great location, one is probably a good location, and one is in a so-so or good location. Has permits for all three . AND, I think the best part of the deal- a COMMISSARY! The building is pretty beat up, BUT he has 2 guys each paying him $450 a month commissary rent. And building easily holds all 5 carts.
He has two guys that work for him at 25% of gross daily earnings. He tells me the two carts EASILY make $850/900 a DAY, with the third location taking it to $1000. As I write this I feel its a total good deal, even if he’s lying to me about the proceeds, say even HALF that amount of income would be a terrific buy.
I add that if I bought a cart myself, say $3,500, I would need commissary ($450 month), permits ($600+), and a location, which I would have to contact the City about (here in C-Town you are only allowed a specific location, I can’t just go where I want).
So I’m in a quandry about starting new amongst other hot dog carts in the city (where they all sell dogs for $1.50, pop .75 ). To top all of this off, I have no way of paying for any of the above, I have some investor friends that might be interested, or could you suggest how to find the financing? I wanted to ask your advice first. Thanks in advance!
Sincerely,
BobD
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Hey Bob,
Sometimes we stumble upon opportunities by pure accident. I love it when that happens and I can totally understand your excitement. But let’s slow down and look at this thing from a few different angles.
The owner has an established, running business with three carts on the street. I like that a lot. The fact that the carts are well used doesn’t bother me too much because the value of this business doesn’t lie in the equipment. Used carts, even in great condition aren’t worth much.
So what is it worth? Business valuations depend on a great many things, but the general formula states that a business is usually worth two to three times earnings. Therefore, the value of this business lies not in it’s assets, but in the profits it currently generates.
Notice I said profits, not sales. A business with sales of $1000 a day is worthless if the expenses are $1002 a day. In order to properly value this business opportunity you need to know the numbers. What are the actual sales? What are the actual expenses? If the owner hasn’t kept proper records I would think long and hard about buying this or any business. (The Cash Tracker bookkeeping software to the right could have solved this problem.)
What is the history? If he does keep good financial records, the next thing I would want to know is the history of the business. How long has he been in operation of course, but even more importantly, how long has the business been making it’s current level of sales?
If this is a brand new business, that would drop the value. I know you said the carts were old but that doesn’t mean the business is. He could have bought those carts used. Check it out.
Even if this business has been around for a few years, you still need to look at the history. If the sales were flat at $400 a day for three years, then jumped to $1000 a day two months ago, I would devalue the business accordingly because this new level of sales may not be sustainable. We just don’t know yet.
Let’s talk about that commissary. He has one. That’s good. It has an income of $900 a month (you need to verify that). Also good. But is he making mortgage or rent payments on the building? If he owns it, what are the utility bills? Exterminator bills? Maintenance and repair bills? Does he have to pay someone to clean it? This commissary could be making money or it could be losing money. We just don’t know. Find out.
By the way, $450 a month for a commissary is a lot of money. If you want to know my strategy for getting a commissary for free, just email me. I’d be glad to tell you. No charge.
Employees. Asset or liability? He has two guys that work for him at 25% of gross daily earnings. That brings gross profits down to about 45% (assuming an industry average of 70% gross profits – again, find out what this particular business grosses) which is still quite good. I like that.
What worries me is loss control. How does the owner know the actual amount of sales? What’s stopping these guys from bringing 80 of their own hot dogs and buns to the cart once it’s at the location and selling them first, keeping 100 percent of those profits? Maybe this business is actually making $1300 a day, but only a grand gets reported to the boss. If there are no loss controls in place you need to figure out how to implement them if you intend to buy into this business.
My final concern is pricing. You say that everyone in the city sells hot dogs for $1.50. Is this business selling hot dogs that cheap? If so, you have a big problem here – and a great opportunity as you will see.
I have never believed in competing on price. I’ve seen it a thousand times. Someone starts a business, but they lack confidence. One thought dominates their mind, “I’m scared. How will I ever be able to compete?” Then they have a stroke of genius. They decide to offer the lowest price in their market! And the funny (or tragic) thing is, they think this is their ticket to success. WRONG. Trying to offer the lowest price is the equivalent of committing business suicide for four main reasons.
- First, it conveys a lack of quality. Everyone knows that you can’t possibly offer a good product at that price. This has the effect of decreasing sales, not increasing them. And forget repeat business. It will be virtually non-existent because you have no opportunity to brand yourself as anything other than the cheapest option. That’s how everyone will talk about you – how cheap you are, not how good you are.
- Second, profit margins are the lifeblood of any business. Low margins mean you are constantly scrambling to meet your expenses. Your business is always staggering along on the edge of a cliff with no margin for error and the slightest mistake will have horrific consequences. If you like living with ulcers, commit yourself to consistently offer the lowest price in your market. Just be aware that the stress will take all of the fun out of the “funnest” business in the world. You’ll grow mean and you won’t be able to hide it. Again, bad branding to say the least.
- Third, if you compete down at the bottom of the barrel where a low price is your only selling point, it’s just a matter of time before someone else comes along with an even lower price. Then you might as well stick a fork in it. You’re done. You’ll be in a race to see who can declare bankruptcy first.
- Finally, you do your customers a massive disservice when you charge too little. If your margins are thin, you can’t do the extra things that make the customer experience an extraordinary one. And worst of all, you’ll probably be out of business soon, leaving your current customers high and dry. I heard a story about a young software company that was making the mistake of competing on price. They landed a big client who told them that they wanted to pay more for the software. Yes, they asked the company to charge them more. The reason why? They said that they liked the software and wanted to make sure the company would be in business a year from now so they could buy more from them when they needed it. They knew what happens to companies that charge too little.
Smart business don’t compete on price and here is where your opportunity lies. Sell a high quality product, give the customer a wonderful experience, and charge accordingly. You should be able to get at least $3 for a hot dog, $4 or more with the right presentation. You can charge twice the current price but your costs will probably only increase by 1/10th. That is good business.
Don’t pay asking price for the business. Once you have done your due diligence and determined a value for the business, it’s time to negotiate. Bring up all of the points discussed above and use them as leverage to lower the price. The less you pay, the better an investment it will be.
How will you pay for it? As far as financing goes, I would only consider outside investment if this was a sure thing. And you had better be SURE it’s a sure thing. You could talk to your local bank, but banks usually only lend money to people who don’t need it. You have your investor friends, and then there is owner financing. Maybe the owner will let you pay it off out of cash flow. This may be worth asking, even if you don’t intend to go this route. His answer will tell you a lot about the actual state of the business. If he wants to finance you out of the profits from the business after you take it over, that means he truly believes in his business.
Actually, I’m probably not the best person to ask about financing. I hate debt of any kind because it makes you a slave to the lender – literally. It’s bad enough with a bank, angel investors, or VCs. It’s worse with friends and relatives. When someone loans you money, all of a sudden they feel like they have the right to tell you how to run your business – and your life.
That’s why I’ve bootstrapped every business I’ve ever started. I’ve worked many a crappy job to get my seed money and lived as frugally as possible to keep as much of it as I could. You’ll be amazed at what bad jobs you can tolerate as long as you know it isn’t permanent, and that each day brings you closer to your goal of small business ownership – and more importantly, personal freedom.
To your success Bob – and success to all of my slingers out there in the dogosphere! I hope you all found this analysis useful.
-Steve
P.S. Let’s hear your thoughts in the comments. There’s a lot to talk about here…
What I got from what Steve said, was don’t get caught up in things you cant see. Have them show you all the financial reports and watch the locations over the next week or two weeks to see how truly busy they are. My commissary cost me $700.00 a year. $1.50 a hot dog is crazy low and to make 150.00 gross you have to sell 100 dogs.
The $1000 per day is supposedly income earned by three carts but your point is well taken. “Don’t get caught up on things you can’t see.” That’s a great way to put it Bullseye. Thanks!
Hi Bob,
I’m a hot dog vendor in Akron, OH.
Before I started my business last year, I drove many many times to Cleveland and scouted out the other vendors. I was parking close to them for a while and counted how many customers they have. All around down town there are many vendors, but for me, it didn’t looked very busy. The prices where higher than $1.50. Of course Cleveland is a very big city with many suburbs around and your seller is maybe not in down town area.
There are two vendors around Cleveland Clinic, what I often visit, and both of them seem very busy. They are also selling the small dog for $2.50 and the big polish boy around $3.00. Buy the way do you have any idea where they buy the polish boy?
In my opinion you have to be very careful and check out if the seller telling you the truth about $1,000 a day sell/income. If they are selling the dogs for $1.50 they have to sell around 400 dog a day, if each customer buys a drink for $0.75 and plus the sandwiches. Also, think about the time invald to sell 400 dog a day, even if you are fast and able to serve and collect the money from a customer 1dog/minute, that is almost 7 hours none stop, plus the sandwiches. Is that even possibe if you are doing that your self? That has to be a very good location.
I wish you all the best,
Valeria V.
Great points Valeria!
disclaimer: These are opinions of a acknowledged madman.
#1 buying a commissary as part of the business is something we should probably put off to the side as a separate real estate deal. And as Steve points out, you can get a commissary for FREE so you don’t need one for your own business anyway. So maybe evaluate this separately.
#2 Why is the seller bugging out? Hmmm… makes you wonder huh?
#3 I bought a trucking company a few years ago, complete with 10 employees (drivers), trucks, customers and mostly unseen problems. Within a year all the drivers were different, the trucks were junk, the customers were lowering my revenue (top line lower) as fuel prices went up (negative to bottom line) AND I had more unseen problems (margins thin or negative). Moral: Buying an existing business does not guarantee success, AND it may have little or no real value over time.
#4 Employees (even if they are relatives) will not take care of your stuff as well as you will. And, no one can run your business as well as you can. And girls in bikini’s on roller skates can’t sell hotdogs, unless it’s THEIR business… Trust me…
#5 Unless the seller has the “rights” to those locations, anyone can come and setup right next to you and greatly affect your margins.
Recommendation: This is a tough business… The economics can change on a dime and if I were to do it again, I would build one of Steve’s carts instead of spending $6,500 for someone else to build it. I would bootstrap the business first, and only then “maybe” try to grow it. (and that’s a big “maybe” !)
Best of luck in whatever you decide. But valuing that existing business STARTS at $0 in my opinion, and goes up or down from there… Don’t let that commissary weigh in as such a “Critical Success Factor”. If you can bootstrap it, why buy it instead? And just one more thought. A relatively few business are built on a model that lends itself to selling the business some day. Part of that is keeping meticulous records for years and building business systems that be transferred to a new owner. Steve did that with his business, but few others have that kind of foresight.
Again, best of luck…
Awesome. Very sane thoughts for an acknowledged madman. Great comment Tbone!
Great advice!! in my quest for funds to start up Concession’s For Veteran’s I researched funding. I found two companies that you might try to secure funding..1.) Prosper 2. People’s Fund…..Prosper is a self funding group, different investors invest in YOU!!..Peoples fund is community banking, you may have heard of Starbucks work program, Work for America…just my 2-cents worth as we have just opened our first location as a test prototype!!!..Good luck and stay on course!!lol…..Dean
Thanks for those resources Dean. Nice.
Expanding on Tbone’s well thought out comment, I believe any business can be built to sell. But you build it to sell from the beginning. It’s a lot easier than trying to tidy up a huge record keeping mess that took you years to make. As Steven Covey says, start with the end in mind.
Please explain what the world ‘commissary’ means in the Hot Dog Biz. I’ve googled it and checked Wiki, but I don’t see any specific definitions for the Biz at hand. Sorry for the ‘stupid’ question, but maybe other beginners also have the same question. Thx.
The stupid question is the one you don’t ask. A commissary is simply a health department approved kitchen. It can be anywhere. Church, school, restaurant, bakery, bar, grocery store, VFW hall, etc. All the health department usually wants from us slingers is a letter from the commissary stating that we can use their facilities for cleaning our pans and storing and prepping any potentially hazardous foods. I’m glad you asked that question Matthew. We are adding about 20 new subscribers a day here at HDCN. It’s good to cover the basics every now and then to get everyone up to speed. Good luck!
Howdy all, I’m just began construction of my EZ Built Hot Dog Cart after waiting to build my funding so I don’t start out in negative numbers. I was in the commercial insurance biz for quite a few years (condolences accepted..) and saw a lot of small businesses start up getting into something bigger than the owner had experience to handle. The successes were scarce. I could tell when they were going down because the insurance payment was probably the first thing they dropped when there was no money. That is why I think someone brand new in the business and coming from an unrelated industry (unless perhaps they have a restaurant ownership background or something similar) should start off in the shallow end of the pool, learn to swim, then move to the diving boards.
One last thought. I’ve been on this site reading the advice of slingers like above for a couple of years now and I highly recommend listening to what they say! They really know what’s going on out there. 🙂
Great insights Mike. And you are right – the best slingers in the Dogosphere are here on Hot Dog Cart News. A super smart bunch!
After reading some of your reports I decided to venture into the hot dog business. I decided against a pull cart after the health department indicated something about a 40 gallon fresh water rule by New York State. Turns out they want to know how you would replenish that amount of water. Decided on a 7×14 trailer with three concession windows, with a water system already in which has a 40 gallon fresh water tank, easier to deal with the health department. Seems like overkill just to sell hot dogs, but can expand if it becomes worth while. Will be finished in August, will keep you up to date. Have three great locations with alot of traffic, and being a veteran I’m hoping for some flexibility for movement Joe
Sounds like you are loaded for bear. The 40 gallon rule does not require you to have 40 gallons on the cart. It’s more about telling the inspector where your water will be coming from. They want to know that you have access to clean potable water for filling your tanks. The usual water tank rule is a 5 gallon fresh water tank and a 15% larger waste water tank.
Good luck Joe. Sell ’em all!
Wow! Where to start? This deal is so bad from so many angles. First of all how can a commissary taking in $900.00 a month even be profitable. If the building is owned then there is real estate taxes, insurance, depreciation etc etc etc. If it is lease then you have a lease payment plus insurance. That one is a no brainer. Pass.
I’m pretty quick and 400 hot dogs in seven hours is not only difficult for one person it’s impossible.
Having bought and sold several restaurants I can tell you that the only safe way to purchase an existing business is to audit the sales tax returns. I don’t care how much business they say they do, the only number that counts is what they report. When you build a business with the intent of someday selling it as a going concern you better report every penny you take in as it definitely has an impact on your selling price.
As to the idea of selling hot dogs for $1.50 that is a loser plain and simple. I recently did an event across the aisle from someone selling hot dogs for $2.00 while I was selling them for $3.00. It’s all about perceived value. We outsold him approximately 10 to 1. We emphasized the our’s were 100% beef and offered a wide variety of condiments. We had lines from 9:15am until 4:pm. Even with two people by the way and steady lines the most we could do in that environment was $1700.00 including pricey fresh squeezed lemonade.
My advice would be to not walk away but to run away from that deal.
I totally agree on the commissary. It’s a loser.
Auditing the sales tax returns is really smart. I love that. Thanks for sharing that one!
“I recently did an event across the aisle from someone selling hot dogs for $2.00 while I was selling them for $3.00. It’s all about perceived value. We outsold him approximately 10 to 1.” 🙂 !!!
Bob another thing to look into is the securing of the site themselves. Here in Phoenix the downtown sites are secured by silent bids. These can run into the thousands of dollars for the year. You should be able to access those records through the cities website. Best of luck and GO BROWNS!
Good point Jeff. Fortunately most cities don’t charge that much. In fact, most don’t charge anything other than a health inspections and biz license. Those that do charge tend to be really big cities and the population density can deliver enough customers to make it profitable, even with the higher rents. By the way, “IT’S CHOW TIME!” 🙂
Reading the above makes me realize how I am in the right place at the right time. This is a city of 130,000, and there are 2 hot dog carts. We have very different approaches to how we do business. We have different locations and times, so never run into each other. I started this gig 3 1/2 years ago, buying a used cart for $1600. Our annual Festival International happened a week later, and in the first 2 days, I made my investment back. I am big into relationship marketing, and unlike the other dog slinger, I pay nothing for my 2 great locations. Nor do I pay for my commissary. My biggest consideration around what I serve is margin. It costs me about 60 cents to make a chili/cheese polish dog, with bacon, and choice of 16 fresh free condiments. I sell them for $3. The upgraded Big Mutha Mega Dog goes for $5, and costs me 75 cents to make. I sell nothing that brings me less than 300% profit. I pay $100 for annual vendor’s permit, and $100 for annual health dept. permit. About $600 for insurance. My original plans for time and location have changed 180 degrees. Just be open to new opportunities. At my 2 locations, I have many loyal regular customers. 1730 customers/ Facebook friends. The customers love my weekly promotion gimmick, which costs me nothing., which I announce weekly on FB. My 3 nights a week net me an average of $900. My locations are at popular bar/music venues. I have had a helper who just showed up to help me break down/pack up at 0230…but he appears to be in the parish prison again…Except for Mardi Gras and Festival, this is a one man operation. Am considering a second cart, but would be very cautious of who I hire for it. Anyway, good luck!!
Right on Russ. You have a beautiful business because you made it that way. I dig that.
P.S. Now I’m going to be craving a Big Mega Mutha Dog the rest of the day. Thanks a lot. 😉
there are a few things to consider here.
1. will you even enjoy selling hot dogs? If you do not enjoy it, you have a very low chance of success. No one will be there to push you to go to work, if you dont feel like it you can “call in sick” anytime you like. Buying a business and not knowing the ins and outs, and mostly if you will enjoy it seems like a very bad move.
2. you do not have the funds, ( you stated this i believe) to buy this, so it sounds like a no brainer, why are you shopping for something you cant afford right now? this is one of the things wrong with america as of late, we are up to our eyeballs in debt, that we have no way of paying off. So if the carts are making 1000 a day, and you finance it you have to take that off of the top as well. I would recomend, either purchasing for cheap, or building one of steves carts and starting out on your own with 1 cart. If you dont like it, or cant manage to grow the one, then honestly you have an easy out. you can sell one cart pretty quickly, rather than trying to get out from under someone else’s problems. I would not be concerned with how much the carts are making, i would be concerned with how much PROFIT they are turning. What are your cost? you need to factor in the hidden cost as well. Insurance, gas, rent for the spaces your carts will be posted up at. as well as tracking what your employees sell, maybe these employees are loyal to the owner, but they are nothing to you. their loyalties may not be to you. Start small, grow your business. Trying to get ahead to fast can be the end of you. Just my 2.5 cents.
Super wise words. I did an interview with Beau (yet to be published) and I can tell you he is probably the most disciplined dogger I’ve had the pleasure of talking to. I think that is one of the keys to his success.
I am still in the thinking about it stage.
I am curious if anyone has tried funding their cart/business using the crowd funding process. And, if so, what was offered as an incentive to the crowd funders?
Some of my customers have successfully used Kickstarter. See these two articles:
Cash Maxwell
Wicked Dogs
Let me know how I can help you get started Cecil!
Wow! Great points Steve. The “wow” is my shock at the commissary fee as we pay 65.00 a month. Secondly I have to get my two cents in and say that I very seriously doubt this guy does a grand a day in dogs at a buck fifty each. If I read it right he says he does about 2500 total a day between all three carts.
Anyway me personally would take Steve’s advice and be very cautious. If I was making that money daily slinging dogs, I would not sell the biz moving or not. Good luck and be diligent with your homework. Start by Googling the business first and see what you find!!
Thanks Matt. Whether it’s a business, a car, or anything else for sale, one of my first questions is always, “Why are you selling it?”. The answer can be revealing.
Wow! I don’t know where to begin to thank you Steve, and all the slingers that left good, positive, well thought out advice! I feel like I just got off a roller coaster with all these good ideas, things I did not think of. It’s a good thing I didn’t have cash in hand, as I initally saw cash falling from the sky with the numbers the seller gave me. I guess it’s time I re-read your Hot Dog Biz 101 again! Heartfelt thanks for all the comments, I will keep you posted ! ~BobD aka Uncle-Franks-Hot-Dogs
It’s easy to get caught up in the dollar signs and rush into something too fast. I’m glad you didn’t do anything hastily, you’re a smart guy Bob.
And yes, HDCN readers are the greatest! They really are good people who genuinely want to help. I’m proud of them!
So much sound advice! There was a woman in town (I live in Florida) that had a successful spot in the downtown area. She had worked it for years and had a good reputation. She decided to leave the business and put it up for sale. I think she wanted 15 grand just for the location and of course any other odds and ends that came with it. Sounded feasible; great location, cart, built in customer base, commisary…but guess what? She didn’t own the location, simply rented it from the city and from there the whole deal fell apart. The commisary didn’t know this person coming in and they had no contract. Bye bye commisary, unless of course you want to pay us up front each month. Anyhow you get the picture. You can’t sell what you don’t own and if there are no contracts, the other party can ask you to go away. Basically all she could sell was her cart and inventory and eventually she did so. I guess the moral of the story is what most folks here have suggested; to know what your getting into before you sign the check!
You can’t sell what you don’t own. Well said Morgan.
are licenses transferable in your neck of the woods?
Hey Bob & Steve,
Bob… Don’t buy this guy’s business- Start your own! You want his locations? – Then take’em! Steve will give you the plans for a new cart and then you don’t have to buy this guy’s yesterdays news!
I started slingin’ in Gettysburg, PA in May, and tho I’m not exactly swimming in the cash… I see the potential. Five million annual tourists & eight million projected in 2013 (150th anneversy of Battle of Gettysburg) If I can sell 1% of that crowd a dog, bag of chips and coke foe $5.00??? You do the math!
In closing, my report cards all through my life said “does not play well with others”… Don’t play with this guy. Take his ideas and location(s) and run with it!
Respect,
joe
DNPWWO. LOL! Thanks Joe!
I agree that $150. is way to low for a dog. Even in the deep south where I am, I get $2.00 per dog. I also only own (1) hotdog cart which I run parttime (sometimes fills like fulltime), because I only work 14 days a month at my “real” job. Owning 3 carts and a commersary is a completely different business. Yes, you say the business has permits now but what happens when they run out. I only have one employee (my spouse) and I trust her with everything I have (can you trust the guys you don’t even know). The numbers just don’t add up for me. Think about this “if it is such a great business why is he not just moving it to Texas, they eat hotdogs there too. Buying the spots is not like buying a brick and mortor business, has he been grandfathered into the spots and when you take over what happens to the permits and the spots. Too much gray, too many questions not answered. I know what I have invested in my business and I know what I make each year, plus I know how much I made, spent, lost, invested, donated, etc.. etc.. etc.. to the penny. Note: My business is not for sale. Start your own business.
Duggs Doggs
Good!! Good!!
“If it is such a great business why is he not just moving it to Texas, they eat hotdogs there too.”
Quote of the day – thanks Michael!
Steve, how do you get a commissary. Really like your DVDs and cart building guide.
I emailed you my strategy for getting a commissary Rich. Glad you like my E-Z Built Hot Dog Cart package. Shoot me an email if I can help you in any way!
Hello Steve,
I am transitioning in my career from being a special education teacher to returning to school (B.S. Nutrition, M.S. Special Ed) for a mechanical engineering degree. My spouse took a supervisory job with the Bureau of Indian Education, so we plan to be here long term and I would like to venture into the food cart market as something to earn money.
We live in Bloomfield, NM on an Indian reservation close to Farmington, NM and Durango, CO and there is only a couple of food trucks selling burritos/tacos locally. I would like to either build/buy a cart to generate some income and get me out of the house as I grew up on a farm in western Kentucky and cannot take doing nothing. I catered through college and shortly after, so familiar with food costs, etc.
I am interested in your “free” commissary knowledge and other advice as well.
Local ad I found here on Farmington Craigslist under “barter” category:
All American Hot Dog Cart (new yorker) Proven money maker, for trade rent or sale. We used this cart 3 or 4 times its like brand new. We have other carts we use every day we just do not use this one enough to warrant keeping.
New this cart sells for $3999, willing to take $2500 =cash & or trade.
I realize I will have to purchase business license and garner local health inspections for all towns I will be utilizing, but is this a good deal or completely overpriced cart?!
I really appreciate any advice or knowledge you may share with me!
Thanks, Allen
Hi Allen,
You are on the right track.
The used cart sounds OK but you can keep $1500 in your pocket if you build your own cart with my videos and plans. It’s super easy to do and you’ll end up with a nicer cart too.
On another note, we have a lot in common. My sister was a special ed teacher and my Dad was a mining engineer who did a lot of work in Farmington. We lived in El Paso Texas at the time and I’ve been to Farmington and Durango many times.
Interesting.
Anyways, I look forward to helping you get started. The most reasonable way for you to do that is to join my Hot Dog Profits Premium Membership. You’ll get all my products for one really low price. It’s everything you need to be successful all in one place.
You can join at:
http://HotDogProfitsPremium.com
Let me know how else I can help you Allen!
Sorry Steve…………I just noticed your ad banners on the side of the page, so I will be ordering those items to further my research!
Thanks,
Allen
Thanks Allen!